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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 339

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for the 19th of april 2015. richard

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saunders here with you in sydney

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australia

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thinking

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uh as you would have

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heard a couple of weeks ago on the

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skeptic zone

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the swedish skeptics were going to have

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a meeting

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and together they and i

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uh produced a swedish version of the dvd

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the vaccination chronicles well they

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posted up a picture of their conference

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and everybody's holding up a copy of the

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swedish vaccination chronicles uh

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documentary

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that's quite a nice feeling thank you

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swedish skeptics let's hope that dvd

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makes it to the right people and does

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some good find out more by visiting www

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dot s e

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but coming up on this week's show it's

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the raw skeptic report with heidi

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robertson and wow

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heidi and her friends at the northern

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rivers vaccination supporters

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have they had a week have they had a

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they have been

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by every conceivable reporter in the

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country i think

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all about this uh government initiative

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to uh crack down on conscientious

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objectives to vaccination now the

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northern river's vaccination supported

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group is centered in mullenbimby which

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has the lowest rate of vaccination in

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the country a disgraceful thing

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so we're going to be chatting to heidi

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coming up at the top of the show all

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about her

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big week her and her friends

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uh the media she's done and more about

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the situation in mulan mimbi why are

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there so many people

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who have dropped out of uh

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of mainstream society well that's their

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right i suppose but they seem to have

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dropped their common sense as well

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we'll find out with the raw skeptic

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report

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after that it's a wig in science from

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the royal institution of australia our

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www.riaus.org you

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and after that some news about an

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interview show talk show star talk with

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neil degrasse tyson which is a

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premiering in australia here on the

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national geographic channel so i'll have

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a little chat about that thanks to our

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friends at the national geographic

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channel for sending me a couple of

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preview episodes enjoying that immensely

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and then to round off the show our

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special guest ross bulch from the

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brisbane skeptic society and the

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skeptically challenged podcast will be

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reading out an open letter to the

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brisbane city council

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strung across a busy brisbane street

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spooking world homeopathy awareness week

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yes folks we all should be aware of

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homeopathy

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and just how ridiculous it is now before

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we get stuck into the show i'm very

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pleased to say that i will be attending

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the amazing meeting tam oh yes coming up

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again

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in las vegas in oh in a couple of months

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time looking forward to catching up with

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lots of friends lots of skeptics seeing

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randy again

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always a busy time always a busy time

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but always a wonderful convention uh

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with lots going on lots to learn lots to

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do lots to see

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more news about uh the amazing meeting

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and hopefully a chat with randy himself

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in the coming weeks but now it's time

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for me to run downstairs open up the

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look into the frying pans i wonder if i

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can find some nice olive bread mmm

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yeah olive oil on top of that maybe

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well i'm doing that i hope you enjoy

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it's the raw skeptic report

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heidi robertson however but heidi

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robertson is on the line all the way

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from the beautiful northern rivers area

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of new south wales here in australia

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it's good to see you because for the

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benefit of our listeners we are skyping

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at the moment there you are sitting in

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your home with a lush greenery out the

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um it's a nice place to live isn't it

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the mullen bimby area

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it's a gorgeous place to live it's a

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gorgeous place it's very beautiful we're

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rainforest we've got it's it's just

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lovely yes it is and i speak from

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experience because i um

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lived there from 1975 till 1980 ish or

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something like that um went to

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all this uh news that we're going to be

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very beginning because what a week it's

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been heidi what a week it's been

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last week on the skeptic zone i read the

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uh the statement from the government

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about their moves on vaccination so i

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the story from there from your point of

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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you were indeed because i've been

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channel 9 crew they wanted to

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campaign against this the likes of the

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csg the coal seam gas campaign oh yes

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certainly an issue that does bring out

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strong emotions no doubt and i must say

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anti-vaccination movement where they can

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by their children everyone wants to do

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the right thing by their children the

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problem with it is that the people that

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are not vaccinating their children

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because of philosophical beliefs are

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getting their information from the wrong

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sources

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and that's the concerning bit because

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we've got so much misinformation in this

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area

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you really do you really do but what i'd

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like to do now just for the benefit of

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our listeners i'll play a little clip

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from you being interviewed uh on that uh

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very

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uh tv show little baby riley hughes that

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just lost his life to pertussis whooping

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cough in western australia

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and dana mccaffrey who lost her life

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also at 32 days both came from regions

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that have very very low vaccination

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rates and it's our responsibility as a

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community as a society to protect the

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vulnerable well well done heidi indeed i

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know how um well it's odd

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it's odd to be

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interviewed on tv with a camera in your

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face and a reporter there but you kept

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going and indeed you ended up on the

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national uh abc television program the 7

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30 report

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yes

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that was um amazing the um

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the 7 30 report one of the journalists

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there peter mccutchen um he's a senior

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journalist and a former foreign

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correspondent with the 7 30 report

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um he he gave us a call i spent about

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half an hour on the phone with him to

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start with and then he rang me back

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about it

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an hour later and said yes they want to

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run with the story can they please send

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a camera crew down from brisbane to us

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and in mullen bimby which is about a

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two-hour drive yeah um so first thing

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tuesday morning this week that happened

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and uh and that was great i think that

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came across well on the 7 30 report yes

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it did yes i think he came across very

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well and in fact i was very pleased to

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see you on on the 730 report but it

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doesn't end there i think you and uh

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alice and gayle have been even

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even been doing some more

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yes well in between that there's there's

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also been

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interviews with the local newspapers

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there's tweed valley news there's the

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northern star

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and

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here's something funny we even got a

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call from a journalist in sydney who

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writes for

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a danish newspaper

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now i was on the phone with her for

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about an hour

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and she works for one of the

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two or three major newspapers

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over there so

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that was great that's going to be she's

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going to send me a link to that um which

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we're going to get translated so see how

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that comes out good heavens but right

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now for again for the benefit of our

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listeners i'll just play a little clip

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from

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we have a vaccination right here in

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mulan

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that

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south sudan it's under 50 of kids aged 5

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are fully vaccinated

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heidi robertson feared she would lose

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her baby after contracting whooping

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cough late in her second pregnancy

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the frightening experience motivated her

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to join with other concerned citizens to

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help save lives

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in this area vaccination was like a

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taboo subject it was like bringing up

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religion or politics at a dinner party

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you just didn't do it

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the northern river's vaccination

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supporters are not sure how many locals

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particularly those who are still

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undecided about the benefits of

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vaccinations will react to the

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government's crackdown we're taking a

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bit of a and see it look approach to

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that because

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well

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the reason for that is that there hasn't

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been any research done into unique

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demographics like ours here in the

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northern rivers we just simply don't

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know if it's going to work or if it's

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not going to work

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again well done well done heidi and i

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was actually quite tickled to think that

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you've been interviewed

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by someone

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representing the danish news and it just

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reminded me that the the little

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documentary the vaccination chronicles

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is subtitled in danish on youtube as

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well so that's quite thrilling well i

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told her about that because one of her

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questions was do you think people have

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become complacent because they're not

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seeing the diseases around these days

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and i said well that's exactly right i

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think that's a that's a big factor in

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all of this and i told her about the

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vaccination chronicles

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and

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told her the link where she could see it

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as well thank you very much now it's an

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interesting point you you raise about um

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people's perception i think and uh you

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were just having a quick word to me

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before we started the interview about

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the area you live in the northern rivers

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the mullen bimby area and you're making

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the comment to me that a lot of people

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in that area don't have

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a medical doctor as their first port of

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call for their medical needs

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yeah well well i don't i don't have any

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evidence for that as such it's just

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from reading a lot of the online

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groups local groups and and forums and a

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lot of them will say that they will not

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go to see a gp they instead for their

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primary health care provider they'll see

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a homeopath a herbalist a chiropractor

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and acupuncturist and so on so

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our concern as well is that the actual

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notification rates of these vaccine

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preventable diseases might not actually

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accurately truly reflect the incidence

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rates of them because if you're not

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going to a gp

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you're not going to get diagnosed with

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say whooping cough or

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measles or whatever so we don't actually

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know if the notification rates in our

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area which are bad enough as it is um

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actually truly reflect what's happening

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here

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that's that's not good that's quite

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scary to consider that possibility

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but i can i can well believe that a lot

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of people in that area would be seeing

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um uh

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non-evidence-based

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uh

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people

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for their primary healthcare because

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they think that's the right thing to do

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they've been yeah

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they've

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is the right thing to do

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and ultimately of course they're putting

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their health and their the health of

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their children at great risk

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yeah that's exactly right and um

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the whole nature nature knows best and

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let's not interfere with nature um just

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the other day i was i was teaching a a

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first aid course and one of the

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one of one of the mums there

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during the break said to me um

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that she was concerned that a friend of

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hers child had a temperature of 40

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degrees celsius for three days

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my friend said to her have you gone to

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see the gp and she said no we don't

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believe in gps

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we are

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keeping the child warm rugging this is a

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little baby keeping keeping the baby

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rugged up and warm which is possibly the

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worst thing you can do with for a child

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with a fever because they can't control

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their body temperature as well as we can

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and the the thing is they they have such

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a mistrust of

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um the medical profession

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that you know there's an

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anti-establishment view in general here

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to the point where it's putting

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babies lives at risk well it is and and

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not only their own babies but as this

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sort of gets worse it's the babies in

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the general population now become

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becoming at risk from

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uh which which must surely happen

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because things like whooping cough and

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measles and whatnot aren't being counted

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as they should

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yep and there's no hurt immunity

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obviously um so what you're telling me

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that the vaccination rate in mullen

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bimby is is just below 50 percent i

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think

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yes we've got in mullenbimby it's the

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worst rate in australia it's just under

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50 percent of five-year-olds that are

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fully vaccinated

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and

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interesting is that so out of the 50 51

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um

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that

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are not fully vaccinated

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about 50

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of that 51

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have registered as conscientious

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objectors wow

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wow that's that that's amazing i mean i

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i'm trying to think now it's been a long

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time since i've lived in the area

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obviously but it wasn't like that when i

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was growing up i mean it was

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it was certainly more

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uh

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mainstream

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although it was always well since the

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late 60s i suppose that area of

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australia has been the hippie capital

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yeah wasn't it the aquarius festival

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that kicked it all off something like

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that

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encourage people no matter where you're

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listening uh have a look at the area go

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to google maps or your favorite program

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and just type in mulumbimbi

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um

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and you'll see it's a tiny little town

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it's near the ocean it's near byron bay

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which is a beautiful spot um there's a

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little mountain what they call a

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mountain mount chinkogen which dominates

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mull and bibby and they used to have a

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run up there every year as part of the

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fiesta so it is a it's a wonderful place

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for anybody to grow up and i enjoyed my

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my time in that area so it is sad to see

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that this sort of thing has taken hold

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it is it is but um

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focusing on a positive is that

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the last week with the media

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the media actually haven't given

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much air time at all to

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the avn yeah yeah yeah the uh what they

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used to be called the australian

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vaccination network and they were forced

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to change the name they changed the

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australian

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which which we weren't very happy about

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but there you go but yes they are

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they're it's it's like watching what is

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it a

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train crash in slow motion you know

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they're grinding to a halt and they're

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or a dying star where every now and then

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there's a bright

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bit of

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soul or flare going off but they're

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dying and they're becoming which is

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delightful to see irrelevant

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yes it was um and in fact the camera

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crews specifically said to us that they

568
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were not interested in

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speaking with meryl dory of the avn a

570
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few of them had tried to get in touch

571
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with her

572
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unsuccessfully

573
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the only media outlet that i heard that

574
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,960
spoke with someone from the avn was

575
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the sydney radio station 2ue that had

576
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the former president greg beatty on for

577
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one of the interviews but apart from

578
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that as far as i'm aware there is no one

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from the avn that was interviewed except

580
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for greg beatty i think i saw a brief

581
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clip with the current president her name

582
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escapes me and well tasha david that's

583
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right i think she was on for about 20

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seconds on on something when i was

585
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channel surfing

586
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i'm not sure about that yeah um

587
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but generally speaking no um maybe after

588
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all this time a lot of the media have

589
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simply learned that um extremist

590
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rat bags and nuts like those people are

591
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only good for entertainment purposes i

592
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don't know

593
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yeah and i tell you what i think the

594
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other difference is that people the

595
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groups like stop the avn have had a

596
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massive impact on educating the media

597
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about false balance in this in this

598
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area and this issue because putting

599
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someone on like meryl dory

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up against immunization experts

601
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is absolutely false balance and we don't

602
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want to give the audience um the

603
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impression that both viewpoints are

604
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equally valid and the media is getting

605
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that now it's amazing it's a great

606
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turnaround more or less you know they

607
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not all the time of course um it it this

608
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is a very long process because they're

609
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so used to just an easy story is to get

610
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two people with different points of view

611
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and put them together there we are

612
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that's an easy story they don't have to

613
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do any research

614
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,600
that's right but now that some of us

615
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have made a stand like our group and

616
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stop the abn have made a stand the first

617
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question we ask when we are now

618
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contacted by the media

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is are you going to interview anyone

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from the avn

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and um if they say yes then we simply

622
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,640
say i'm sorry we won't be a part of that

623
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,799
story yeah well this is the the stance

624
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,120
that uh our colleague dr rachel dunlop

625
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dr he

626
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,320
moment talked with the with the media

627
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some time ago

628
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um and said she would not appear or on

629
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radio or television if there was an um

630
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an avn person appearing

631
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yes i think it's i think it's the best

632
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approach to take yeah now

633
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and again as a result of all this

634
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interest your facebook has gone off its

635
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face

636
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ah has it ah our our website and our

637
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:48,000
facebook page the northern rivers ones

638
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,039
have

639
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been inundated with messages

640
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,440
some of them are angry but a lot of them

641
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,720
are

642
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,360
asking for more information and we've

643
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,120
been getting a lot of positive feedback

644
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,640
it's been great

645
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,559
it's really good to see in your and you

646
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:06,480
showed me your stats earlier and they've

647
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,960
skyrocketed it's fantastic

648
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,559
yes yes

649
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um allison also did a

650
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an interview yesterday i didn't mention

651
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,880
that before with the today show it's

652
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going to

653
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,440
maybe they told us that it would

654
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,919
probably air this sunday uh this sunday

655
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,919
morning on the weekend today show on

656
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channel nine

657
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,360
um and and that would that'll be good

658
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,279
because not only alison from our group

659
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,279
we've also got a local gp that was

660
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,960
interviewed for that

661
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,360
who is going to talk about what it's

662
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,880
like dealing with conscientious

663
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,400
objectives coming into the practice and

664
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,720
wanting their forms signed

665
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:42,960
and we also have one of our members who

666
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,159
was very brave because she used to be

667
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,880
uh an anti-vaccination advocate and she

668
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,279
has since changed her mind and she's

669
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,679
been interviewed as well for that show

670
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,480
well

671
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,559
through the magic of

672
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,400
the internet and the podcasts and the

673
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,320
time differences and all sorts of

674
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,240
craziness we're actually going to play a

675
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,960
clip from allison on the today show

676
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,440
right now which she hasn't even done yet

677
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,120
hang on

678
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,520
here we go

679
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,919
local mum alison gaillard considered

680
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,159
leaving the town when her two daughters

681
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,720
contracted whooping cough despite being

682
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:22,000
immunised i was devastated

683
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,840
i was heartbroken i really felt like i'd

684
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,320
failed them and i'd let them down i had

685
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,559
done everything i possibly could to

686
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,240
protect them even though they were

687
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,679
vaccinated

688
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,919
the ordeal prompting her to set up the

689
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:36,000
northern rivers vaccination support

690
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:36,960
group

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00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,039
i realized that there was a huge number

692
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,039
of people that didn't vaccinate and i

693
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,679
just felt i had to do something about it

694
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,640
dr sue page says being vaccinated is

695
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like wearing a seat belt you wear a seat

696
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:53,039
belt you may never be involved in a car

697
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,039
accident but if you are involved in a

698
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,720
car accident if you are exposed to a

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00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,799
vaccine preventable disease that

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00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,360
vaccination saves your child's life it

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00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,080
saves your child's brain its ability to

702
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,720
run around without having a measles

703
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,799
virus hole punched in their lungs so

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00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,799
that they're permanently respiratory

705
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,480
disabled

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00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:14,400
it's a no-brainer

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00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,600
despite this opinion remains divided i

708
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,279
don't trust the pharmaceutical companies

709
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,279
and i think i think that's the answer

710
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,640
would be for a lot of people they

711
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
vaccinated both of my brothers but not

712
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,600
me we found that like the least the less

713
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,760
vaccinations we had in the family the

714
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:31,840
less the kids got sick your kids were

715
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,880
never seriously ill never

716
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:36,000
ever

717
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,360
so you made the right decision you think

718
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,200
made the right decision i had a home

719
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,919
birth and i did not vaccinate yeah she's

720
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,600
had a first course

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00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:44,640
yeah

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00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,400
and

723
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,679
i don't have

724
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:50,159
any worries where otherwise you you

725
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,870
well there we are well done alison

726
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,880
well heidi wow what a time you've had

727
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,559
now what's that facebook

728
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:02,480
site for people who might want to visit

729
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,279
you

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00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,600
oh if they just search for northern

731
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,000
rivers vaccination supporters they will

732
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:10,320
see our open facebook page there that

733
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:11,360
they can

734
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,630
fantastic and

735
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,159
as you've mentioned in your reports

736
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,799
before and i'm i'm very pleased i'd like

737
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,360
to attend one of these one time your

738
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,320
first aid courses how are they going

739
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,440
i'm flat out with those actually yes um

740
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,600
yeah i teach first aid for people that

741
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,600
that need that qualification for work

742
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,760
it's going very well thank you i'm very

743
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,039
pleased to hear that heidi and i bet

744
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,120
you're a great teacher too

745
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:46,799
well thank you

746
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,960
me in your own segment i might add this

747
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,600
is

748
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,520
the raw skeptic report and what a report

749
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,480
it's been and uh all power to you um

750
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,880
folks there we are she's worth your

751
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,720
support the northern rivers vaccination

752
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,720
supporters are worth your support uh

753
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,120
alison gaylard and all her friends do a

754
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,440
marvelous job

755
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:09,200
thank you richard

756
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:59,750
bye

757
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:00,470
hi

758
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,799
skeptic society and chairman of the

759
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:06,240
european council of skeptical

760
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,760
organizations

761
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,919
as a listener of the skeptic zone you

762
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,760
probably agree that educating others

763
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,440
about pseudoscience and critical

764
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,000
thinking is an important task

765
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,840
if you are eager to take part in either

766
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,600
of these activities we would be happy to

767
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,880
hear from you

768
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,039
don't hesitate to contact us at

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00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,470
or info

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00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:30,000
skepticush.edu we also recommend you

771
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,360
visiting our facebook page

772
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,120
skepticoustashashag

773
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:35,440
or simply come and join us at one of our

774
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,549
welcome to a week in science from rios

775
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,159
bringing you the science you need to

776
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,440
know

777
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,159
from movies to conspiracy theories we're

778
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,120
surrounded by gloom and doom stories but

779
00:31:03,350 --> 00:30:58,240
is our world or even our universe

780
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,950
you might have heard that there are up

781
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,360
to 14 stars on a collision course with

782
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,039
our solar system

783
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,640
sounds grim

784
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,240
but is it

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00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,720
well to begin with some of the stars

786
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heading our way are over 250 000 years

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away

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coming near us but even if they do reach

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00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,840
our solar system it doesn't necessarily

790
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,679
mean we're all going to be fried in some

791
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,840
cataclysmic fire storm

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00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,360
they won't come close enough for the

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00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,360
radiation to affect us

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00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,360
danger might come from comets being

795
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,080
dislodged from the oort cloud a region

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00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,559
of icy rocky remnants in our outer solar

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system

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00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,240
as the star approaches its gravitational

799
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:46,159
force could send some comets from the

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okay so being crushed by a star isn't a

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00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,960
concern for a while yet

802
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,840
but what about a rogue asteroid impact

803
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,399
nasa searches for and tracks asteroids

804
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,399
and other objects in its near earth

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00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,000
object program

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as objects are discovered their tracks

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are calculated to see if they pose a

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00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,559
threat to earth at the moment the neo

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00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,720
program doesn't report any major objects

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00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,640
on a collision course with earth but

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that doesn't rule out any asteroids that

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00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:19,039
haven't yet been spotted one close

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19997xf11 which will approach

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approximately one million kilometers

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from earth or about two and a half times

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00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,080
farther than the moon the chance of this

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00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,279
mile wide asteroid impacting earth is

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effectively zero

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and now let's fly into four fast facts

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nasa is planning to redirect an asteroid

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to orbit our moon so that they can study

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it more easily around 100 tons of space

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debris reaches the surface of the earth

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every day an asteroid one mile wide

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would likely flatten everything for a

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300 kilometer radius and european

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authorities have decided on the best

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advice for the public in the case of an

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asteroid explosion

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keep away from the windows and stay in

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the strongest area of the building

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that's it for this week in science for

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more information on the risks to earth

834
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,519
from space go to the rio's website

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00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,440
r-i-a-u-s

836
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,840
dot org dot a-u

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00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,880
follow us on twitter at rios and like us

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00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:27,360
on facebook i'm tanya meyer and we'll

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hey heidi

840
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:47,600
oh hi joe hi heidi oh hi maynard hi

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maynard oh hi joe nice day in this park

842
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,880
yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn

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a unicorn

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there are no such things as unicorns

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silly yes there are no there isn't

846
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,000
hey ladies what are you arguing about

847
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,760
joe thinks unicorns are real they so are

848
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:09,599
let's look this up in the skeptics

849
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,040
dictionary the words how can we do that

850
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,760
in this park there are no computers here

851
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,679
you ladies probably don't know about the

852
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,480
skeptics dictionary app available now

853
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,280
for iphone ipad and ipod touch in the

854
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,760
app store yeah we do we've been

855
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,839
listening to the skeptic zone for years

856
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:29,200
you know

857
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,560
yes okay

858
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,200
the app lets you access all the great

859
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,159
skeptics dictionary articles when you're

860
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,040
on the go here let me look up unicorns

861
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,320
oh cool

862
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,040
heidi prepare to be proven wrong

863
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,280
it says here the unicorn is a creature

864
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,440
from fables aha

865
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,280
actually i see now that someone just

866
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,800
dumped their ice cream cone on that

867
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,079
horse's head

868
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:54,800
thanks get the dicks in your iphone app

869
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,230
now here's some news from our friends at

870
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,800
the national geographic channel

871
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,480
national geographic channel launches

872
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,880
chat show star talk hosted by neil

873
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280
degrasse tyson now neil degrasse tyson

874
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:13,200
has been on the skeptic zone a couple of

875
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:17,359
times most recently show 279 the 23rd of

876
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,400
february in 2014 where i interviewed uh

877
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:22,560
neil degrasse tyson together with

878
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,920
andrean about the uh the cosmos series

879
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:28,480
the new cosmos series well the

880
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,599
series that was uh broadcast

881
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:33,359
last year

882
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,720
so uh neil degrasse tyson star talk and

883
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,520
the blurb says national geographic is

884
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,520
set to premiere its first ever

885
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:43,520
talk show star talk

886
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:45,040
where show host and prominent

887
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,800
astrophysicist dr neil degrasse tyson

888
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,520
sits down with world renowned cultural

889
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,520
luminaries

890
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,040
across science entertainment and

891
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:57,760
politics like christopher nolan george

892
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,800
takei and richard dawkins premiering on

893
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,640
the national geographic channel on

894
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,359
mondays at 9 30 p.m

895
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,200
australian eastern standard time from

896
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,000
the 27th of april the hour-long weekly

897
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,440
series infuses pop culture with science

898
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,119
while bringing together comedians and

899
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,720
celebrities to delve into a wide range

900
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,720
of topics and thank you national

901
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,240
geographic you sent me a couple of

902
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,480
episodes to preview and i enjoyed those

903
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,599
immensely

904
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,079
uh let's play a little clip

905
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:30,160
from the episode with uh star trek

906
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,270
when you're going up for what could be a

907
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,599
running part in the series you have a

908
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,280
whole

909
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,760
group a team of uh

910
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,440
people uh

911
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,520
interviewing you

912
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:50,240
network people advertising people and

913
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,440
students because you're not a one-off

914
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,359
character right they're marrying you for

915
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,640
this exactly yeah uh it's uh the uh

916
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,670
and i was prepared for that when i

917
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,359
walked into gene roddenberry's office

918
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,920
first of all he mispronounced my surname

919
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,599
he called me takai

920
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,520
but i corrected that

921
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,240
i said my name is pronounced take

922
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,560
but i don't object to kai

923
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,320
because that's a japanese word that

924
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,400
means expensive and he said oh my

925
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,640
goodness

926
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,349
doesn't mean chief either

927
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:27,200
team robbery creator of star trek

928
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,119
creator of star trek uh producer writer

929
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,079
a visionary uh all-around creative guy

930
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,359
creative guy and with a vision of what

931
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,000
uh we could be i think they sent his

932
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,839
ashes to the moon or something no not to

933
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,000
the moon no uh to

934
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,400
orbit so he's made it into space he's

935
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,560
still out there he's still jimmy doing

936
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,200
had his is sent out there too okay but

937
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:53,280
uh i guess he wasn't quite in orbit

938
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:01,349
uh gene roddenberry really deserves and

939
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:05,520
and should be up there because uh

940
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,200
star trek was more than just and he felt

941
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,720
the television

942
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,079
you know certainly needs to be

943
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,680
entertained but it also needs to

944
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:16,880
inform

945
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,480
and inspire did you know this at the

946
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,880
time at the time are you just doing

947
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:25,520
television are you saying to yourself

948
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,079
this is some good going down here

949
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,160
this is whoa

950
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,480
because the show did get cancelled

951
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,280
right right but i knew that it was the

952
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,760
kardashians have been went longer than

953
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:39,920
than the original star trek yeah but we

954
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:49,190
we talked about books we had read movies

955
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,800
that we liked uh current events issues

956
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,880
you know we had a wonderful engaging

957
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,440
conversation he described the show

958
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,440
and it was

959
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,880
thrilling

960
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,800
that vision that he had

961
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,119
starship enterprise a metaphor for

962
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,520
starship earth and the strength of the

963
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,800
starship lay in its diversity coming

964
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,119
together and working nobody was thinking

965
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,119
that back then nobody was thinking i

966
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,839
mean you know minorities weren't uh in

967
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,839
anything no no

968
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,920
so that's star talk coming up on the

969
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,000
national geographic channel lots of

970
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:26,640
people coming up on that series

971
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,589
but questions is an award-winning weekly

972
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,000
science show in french hosted by a bunch

973
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,160
of crazy enthusiasts

974
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,640
we are convinced that the greatest ideas

975
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,960
in science are quite easy to grasp as

976
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,960
long as they are presented with passion

977
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,599
using a vocabulary common to all curious

978
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:54,000
minds whatever their academic background

979
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,280
if any

980
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,359
we don't understand french yet well it's

981
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,720
never too late

982
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,320
all our stories have a written

983
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,160
transcript on the website and people

984
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,320
from all around the world are using our

985
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,960
content to learn malia's language

986
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:09,599
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987
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988
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989
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,280
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990
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991
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992
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993
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994
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995
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us on itunes and soundcloud see you soon

996
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:32,760
hopefully at the

997
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:52,870
ever on the lookout for

998
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,160
woo and uh superstition and

999
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,000
silly things like that our good friends

1000
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,119
in brisbane the brisbane skeptic society

1001
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,319
noticed a huge banner draped across busy

1002
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,640
wickham street in fortitude valley in

1003
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,599
brisbane written on the banner in

1004
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:11,839
very large letters

1005
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:14,720
world homeopathy awareness week

1006
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,670
minimum dose

1007
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:24,560
maximum benefit with two logos on the

1008
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,800
banner one being from homeopathyoz.org

1009
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,119
which is the australian homeopathic

1010
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,440
association and the other logo being

1011
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:35,920
that of endeavour college now this

1012
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:38,720
banner was cited and photographed by the

1013
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,319
brisbane skeptics in early april and

1014
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:44,400
prompted them to write an open letter to

1015
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,920
the brisbane city council here to read

1016
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:50,640
the open letter is none other than ross

1017
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,599
balch from the brisbane skeptic society

1018
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,599
despite extensive research before the

1019
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,440
publishing of this letter the council

1020
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,200
has since informed us that a private

1021
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,119
company is responsible for banners

1022
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,440
erected across wickham street

1023
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,359
we are continuing our research in order

1024
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,280
to discover which companies responsible

1025
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:11,280
for this in order to let them know our

1026
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,640
concerns

1027
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,400
due to the fact that these kinds of use

1028
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,000
of public space would still require

1029
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,839
council planning permission we are not

1030
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,000
retracting our original letter to the

1031
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,760
brisbane city council

1032
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,280
it is our hope that they will review

1033
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,960
their policy on the guidelines set out

1034
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,200
to contractors on what type of content

1035
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,160
is allowable in a public space

1036
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,720
april 10 to april 16th this year is

1037
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,800
homeopathy awareness week

1038
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,560
unlike other awareness events for

1039
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,400
instance breast cancer awareness this

1040
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,160
one is purely commercial in nature and

1041
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,160
is not recognized by the un or any other

1042
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,200
government body homeopathy is an alleged

1043
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,119
system of medicine first devised in the

1044
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,520
pre-science medical area by samuel

1045
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,240
hahnemann in 1796.

1046
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,760
the system is based on the principle

1047
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,760
that like cures like for instance

1048
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,440
caffeine promotes alertness and this

1049
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,800
should be used to treat sleeping

1050
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,920
disorders

1051
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,599
that the more dilute the substance is

1052
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,920
the greater the medical effect

1053
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,079
and that's a cushion the process of

1054
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,760
vibrating the mixture between each

1055
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,079
dilution traditionally on a bible will

1056
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,280
also make the mixture more powerful

1057
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,040
a recent report by the national health

1058
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,280
and medical research council echoes

1059
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,119
similar reports from the uk government

1060
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,119
and the cochrane review in finding that

1061
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,720
there is no scientific evidence that

1062
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,839
homeopathy is effective for any

1063
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,119
condition this is not surprising when

1064
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,280
you consider the chemistry behind it a

1065
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,280
typical concentration for a homeopathic

1066
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,280
preparation is 30c

1067
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,119
this means that the initial substance is

1068
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,079
diluted one part in a hundred usually in

1069
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,960
water or alcohol 30 times in a row

1070
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,720
to put this into perspective at that

1071
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,560
dilution you would have to drink almost

1072
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,160
four times the amount of water that

1073
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,319
exists on the earth just to guarantee

1074
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,319
that you consumed a single molecule of

1075
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,000
the active ingredient

1076
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,319
by comparison a typical paracetamol

1077
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:56,319
tablet contains one

1078
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,839
by 10 to the 15 molecules this is one

1079
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,400
with 15 zeros after it

1080
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,000
what is more troubling is that this

1081
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,160
year's awareness week is themed around

1082
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,480
treating infectious diseases

1083
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,720
unlike conditions like colds or

1084
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,160
headaches that typically resolve

1085
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,480
themselves after a day or two infectious

1086
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,640
diseases are immediate life-threatening

1087
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,760
conditions

1088
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,520
the world health organization has

1089
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:21,520
specifically warned against the use of

1090
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,480
homeopathy

1091
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,680
to treat diseases like hiv tuberculosis

1092
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,359
malaria and more

1093
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,200
infectious diseases aren't the only

1094
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,760
conditions however that homeopaths claim

1095
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,680
to be able to treat

1096
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,240
in 2005 penelope dingle died after

1097
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,000
husband peter dingle treated her with

1098
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,319
homeopathy instead of conventional

1099
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,920
medicine

1100
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,160
gloria thomas who was only 9 months old

1101
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,880
died in 2009 when her parents issued

1102
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,040
science-based medicine for homeopathy to

1103
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,040
treat her severe eczema

1104
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,880
this left her immune system vulnerable

1105
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,800
and unfortunately she succumbed to an

1106
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,400
eye infection

1107
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,240
it is extremely concerning then that the

1108
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,319
brisbane city council saw fit to allow

1109
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,240
display of a banner this week and indeed

1110
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,240
in previous years promoting homeopathy

1111
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,160
awareness week on the busy wickham

1112
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,240
street in fortitude valley

1113
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,240
brisbane's skeptic society is extremely

1114
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,079
disappointed that the council would not

1115
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:14,160
carefully vet the types of organizations

1116
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,520
that it would allow such prominent

1117
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,280
promotions to

1118
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,280
only a quick perusal of the homeopathy

1119
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,599
queensland website results in several

1120
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:23,280
statements that are either not supported

1121
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,880
by scientific evidence or are

1122
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,400
mischaracterizations quote it is

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recognized by the world health

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organization as a valid form of health

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care end quote

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this statement is clearly contradicted

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by the world health organization which

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specifically warns against homeopathy's

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use

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chronic illness acute conditions and

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minor accidents requiring first aid end

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quote

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as stated above several scientific

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reviews have found no evidence for this

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statement

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while homeopathy by definition is an

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inert in and of itself

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many who choose to use homeopathy do so

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as an alternative to conventional

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scientific based medicine

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this unfortunately has in the past and

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will continue into the future to have

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potentially lethal outcomes

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brisbane skeptic society would ask that

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the brisbane city council think very

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carefully in the future about the types

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of messages that they allow to be

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displayed in public locations such as

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wickham street

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brisbane city council first and foremost

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must have the good of the community at

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its heart a function that is not served

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by allowing dangerous misinformation to

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be displayed in a public place

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regards ross balch president brisbane

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skeptic society

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if you would like to get involved with

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our campaign you can contact the mayor's

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office

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gpo box 2287 brisbane queensland 4001

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you can phone 07 3403 double four double

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gov brisbane.queensland.gov a u

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thank you ross bolsh from the brisbane

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skeptic society and also ross you can

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hear ross on the skeptically challenged

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podcast good work i think open letters

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like this are a good idea and who knows

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maybe we won't see that silly banner

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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australian skeptics subscribe online to

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you can also find there over 30 years of

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and next week i hope we'll have a

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report from our dear friend and reporter

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joe alabasta it's been a little bit

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under the weather lately get better soon

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joe get better soon we'll see if we can

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get uh something out of maynard too he's

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00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,359
been a little bit under the weather as

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well what's going on and soon we'll be

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able to tell you some more news about

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our

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new reporter that's very exciting and

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before long i'll give you some uh

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details on a personal level very

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exciting i'm going to have an exhibition

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of some of my photography here in sydney

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around the middle of may but i'll be

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letting you know about that before long

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but for this week this is richard

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saunders and fred the cat

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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